Posts by Marvin Shilmer

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Geoffery Jackson Plan Against the Commission

by thedepressedsoul in

geoffrey jackson will attempt to df them all, shun them, take away their privileges, write a wt article on them, have the elders talk to them, their family cut off ties with them, read them watchtower articles, tell them they need to submit at least 10 hours per month etc... .

then, the "oh shit" look on his face moment when he realizes he has no power outside of his pinky ring club.

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Marvin Shilmer

How do you defend that record?? I cant wait to see what Angus has in store for him.

I think the strategy will have to be this: 1. Jackson will defend past policy as an honest--though perhaps flawed--attempt to abide by public policy on mandatory reporting. 2. He will further express appreciation to the Royal Commission for its initiative to move Australia toward a uniform public policy in relation to mandatory reporting, whatever that might require of Watchtower and its appointees. 3. Otherwise he will offer as much cooperation as the Commission requests related to the matter of responding to reports of child molestation.

Note: By "perhaps flawed" what I mean is that Jackson will admit the Commission has highlighted a legal obligation previously interpreted by Watchtower to mean something different that the Commission has argued, and on that point Watchtower is actively seeking senior legal advice and intends to fully comply with that finding whatever it is.

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Why won't they simply change policy on sex offenders? Will they?

by punkofnice in

why won't they (the wbt$ head honchos), simply change policy on sex offenders?

will they?..especially after the arc for eg?

it seems that with all the bad press and now the arc among other institutions that are exposing the wbt$ for a haven for paedophiles, why hasn't the wbt$ simply changed it's insane policy?.

Marvin Shilmer

Why won't they (the WBT$ head honchos), simply change policy on sex offenders? Will they?

If Watchtower history teaches us anything it teaches us that Watchtower changes. That goes for doctrine and policy.

Watchtower's policy on reports of child molestation will change. The only question is how and when will it change.

Based on work of the Royal Commission I predict Watchtower will soon change its policy on at least one fundamental. Rather than only not discouraging victims (or guardians) from reporting to secular authorities I think Watchtower will change its policy to encourage victims (or guardians) to report to secular authorities. This will move Watchtower policy from passive to active when it comes to reporting or not to secular authorities. At this point I see nothing Watchtower has to lose by this change in policy. They can even slough off the change as a "clarification" in order to obfuscate the fact of change to congregation elders.

On the other hand, I think Watchtower would rather not change its policy on when elders report allegation of child molestation. If elders are to always report these allegations I think Watchtower would rather governmental leaders decide that as a matter of public policy (law) to reduce liability to Watchtower in cases where appointed elders bungle up what and when they report something that might end up causing wrongful defamation.

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Why don't they just lie about the numbers?

by Sour Grapes in

jw
friends

why doesn't the wtbts just lie and increase the published amount of people who attend the memorial?

who would know the difference?

the same with the amount munching on the crackers and sipping the wine.

Marvin Shilmer

Why doesn't the WTBTS just lie and increase the published amount of people who attend the Memorial? Who would know the difference? The same with the amount munching on the crackers and sipping the wine. Why show an increase which goes against what I have been taught my entire life. Who would know if they showed a small decline each year? If they would just decrease the amount by 100 per year they could have gone on for over 80 years and all of the old timers would have been dead. Perhaps they are showing increasing numbers for the anointed to change a doctrine in a couple of more years.

Plausible deniability can only go so far to placate cognitive dissonance. Watchtower's upper-tier hierarchy is probably perfectly fine manipulating numbers to please themselves (effectively: mental masturbation). But this upper-tear depends on lots and lots of up-and-comer middle-tier worker bees to keep the engine of its religion business churning. These middle-tier workers have access to everything the upper-tier has access to, only in a more diversified fashion. Hence for Watchtower to intentionally misrepresent values as suggested, it would likely cause a huge schism.

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Branch Manual 2015

by Marvin Shilmer in

apparently the backroom arguments have been heard and decided.

the royal commission finally uploaded a redacted version of the 2015 branch manual.

watchtower lawyers were looking to have as much redacted from this manual as possible.

Marvin Shilmer

How's this for documentation of transparency (not!):

Regarding phone calls taken by the Service Department, we read...

"One should be as helpful as possible to the individual calling. If the caller is from outside of Bethel, it is not wise for a deskman or his secretary to give his name unless the caller is a circuit overseer."

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Branch Manual 2015

by Marvin Shilmer in

apparently the backroom arguments have been heard and decided.

the royal commission finally uploaded a redacted version of the 2015 branch manual.

watchtower lawyers were looking to have as much redacted from this manual as possible.

Marvin Shilmer

There is nothing in there about the process on a 'Congregation Only' level and in relation to typical members of a congregation. Is this not what they require in order to understand the process of claim of abuse within a congregation?

This is the Branch Organization manual; hence it goes into detail about processes inside a Branch office rather than at a congregational level. This manual does, though, give a pretty good idea of what goes on inside Watchtower's Service Department in relation to judicial correspondence to and from congregation elders. At least it does this in a broad way. One thing that's not part of this manual is the whole set of Service Department Guidelines, which essentially is the script from which Service Department overseers ("Deskman") read from and otherwise perform work on the basis of, nearly all of which is for field work or either a circuit overseer or local congregation.

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What is their official explanation for not allowing beards?

by keyser soze in

jw
friends

i ask because my gf, who knows all about my jw upbringing, convinced me to grow a goatee, just to see how it looks.

we both decided it looked good so i decided to keep it.

i tried to explain to her that as a jw, i wasn't allowed to grow one, but then drew a blank when she asked me why.

Marvin Shilmer

To my knowledge there is no official explanation for not allowing beards. In some cultures JWs do have beards without it being an issue. But in Western lands it is definitely frowned upon. But you'll be hard pressed to find an official statement against it.

Child Molestation Reporting Levels ... Chart

by Marvin Shilmer in

today i added a new article to my blog.

it contains a chart graphing the level of reporting to watchtower of sexual abuse of children.

my article is title child molestation reporting levels .

Marvin Shilmer

Today i added a new article to my blog. It contains a chart graphing the level of reporting to Watchtower of sexual abuse of children.

My article is title Child Molestation Reporting Levels

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Branch Manual 2015

by Marvin Shilmer in

apparently the backroom arguments have been heard and decided.

the royal commission finally uploaded a redacted version of the 2015 branch manual.

watchtower lawyers were looking to have as much redacted from this manual as possible.

Marvin Shilmer

Apparently the backroom arguments have been heard and decided. The Royal Commission finally uploaded a redacted version of the 2015 Branch Manual.

Watchtower lawyers were looking to have as much redacted from this manual as possible. It ended up the only section that has redacted content is Section 4 addressing duties of the Personnel Committee. All the stuff about Bethelite life was redacted leaving only the part addressing judicial committees.

If readers have not already downloaded this thing now is your chance.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=57c425ca-91bd-425b-b266-e08cd15986dc&type=exhibit&filename=EXH.029.028.0001_R&fileextension=pdf

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Royal Commission... Monty Baker?

by Marvin Shilmer in

i see a former elder by the name of monty baker on the royal commission's witness list.

transcripts show a lawyer representing monty baker during the hearings, but so far i see no transcript where monty baker has testified before the commission.

am i missing something?

Marvin Shilmer

Pardon me. I found it.

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Royal Commission... Monty Baker?

by Marvin Shilmer in

i see a former elder by the name of monty baker on the royal commission's witness list.

transcripts show a lawyer representing monty baker during the hearings, but so far i see no transcript where monty baker has testified before the commission.

am i missing something?

Marvin Shilmer

I see a former elder by the name of Monty Baker on the Royal Commission's witness list. Transcripts show a lawyer representing Monty Baker during the hearings, but so far I see no transcript where Monty Baker has testified before the Commission. Am I missing something?